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I misunderstood your comment about the camps. Glad that's cleared up (I was suprised because your posts are very reasonable so I figured it wasnt to be taken on face value)
People as a group are egocentric assholes. (look at us where we voted for our prime minister after we came to know that he lied and fucked over a part of our population.) The hypocracy you're pointing at isn't a suprise and I agree its not right. However, for me it was not really clear that the common flu killed so much. I knew it, but never really considered it. So maybe a part of this problem was the image the flew had. Lastly... I don't think people are worried about a small percentage of our people dying of Corona if the hospitals can handle the patients. I think we can accept this as a unfortunate part of life.
Here the hospitals were overcrowded. We had to make choices about who got treatment. Not just corona, but also other disseases. A lot of operations were postponed because of the preasure on the nurses and doctors. You probably have a better view at your country, but a quick google search shows you had problems as well.
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To concentrate on my country; I think everybody wants to go back to normal. But not so long ago we tried doing this to fast. If the system can't handle it you're to late. A large spike in patients is hard to handle in a normal situation (see the beginning of this pandamic) and we are now dealing with a backlog of "regular" patients and overworked healthcare personal. So make sure we get rid of the measures but slowly.
The corona passport is in my oppinion a good temporary measure for this. The studies are not conclusive, so why risk it? Just get tested if you don't want to vaccinate?
I would suggest you take your data from actual sources and not media outlets.
"Ambulances lined up!", "Doctors exhausted!". These are not things that allow one to form an opinion on the matter.
The pictures of those ambulances lined up was propagated by probably the most sensational TV news channel in Portugal, and happened for a couple of days because of a problem that happened in the triage system.
And in no way I am saying that we had not stressful spikes for a couple of weeks.
Let me share you some slides from a presentation made from the Doctor responsible for the admission of UCI clients in Portugal's second biggest hospital (St. John, in Porto):
UCI stands for: Intensive Care Unit
First graph is: % of used UCI beds daily progression
Second graph is: Total number of admitted pacients in UCI vs Available Beds
Sorry about the quality, couldn't find another YouTube video with better one. These were taken from an inteview he made in 2021 for our public channel RTP.
Please note that, for the sake of clarity, those graphs are in regard to TOTAL UCI availability. Not only COVID UCIs.
You can see that the total UCIs avg usage is actually a little bit lower in 2020 (same pattern continues towards 2021, but this is the only snapshot I took).
Now, if the hospitals were in "the point of collapse" like the media was portraying, surely one would expect that COVID would take the place of at least a great % of the generic UCI beds, leading to a much higher total UCI % usage, right? It did not, at all. The planned beds for COVID were in the verge of not being enough? Yes. That's true. Were all the UCI beds used? Not only not true, as the average was actually lower.
It's important to not downplay things but also to not inflate them out of their reasonable proportion.
PS: I know Portugal is not the Netherlands but I don't think it's really relevant here. Similar society, similar health system, etc.
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